Everyone. Hey everyone. Welcome once again to the podcast, Conversations That Matter. I'm your

host John Harris. We have one subject today and that is the first chapter of this particular book engaging with

Keller. Now this book is out of print now. It cost me a pretty penny to acquire

it on I think Amazon is where I found it. It's probably over a hundred dollars and if you can find a deal that's cheaper

than that it's actually a pretty good deal and I don't know fully why it's

out of print I have a suspicion that maybe one of the reasons could be and

I need to talk about this anyways before I get into the whole situation with Keller is one of

the editors of the book Ian is one who

who wrote the book, Ian Campbell, and I believe Ian Campbell is the one who also wrote the first chapter

which we're going to go over some quotes from,

did not end his ministry very well. I'm not that as familiar. I just know that when I've mentioned this book in the past

someone brought up to me that Ian Campbell apparently committed suicide

in the wake of the revelation or the potential

revelation of an affair and I don't really know anything past that and I don't really

need to know anything past that I do want to say this about the book.

Most of the chapters are not written by Ian Campbell.

I think it might even just be the first one,

but because he is a general editor,

this has, for some at least been a point

which they the people who like to defend Keller perhaps I don't know but what I'm

told is that they use this as a way of

discrediting the whole the whole work and this is my encouragement to you and

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