Welcome to the Conversations That Matter Podcast. I'm your host John Harris to

continue our study in engaging with Keller. For those who didn't see the last

podcast I would suggest go watch that, but if you don't want to watch that I will just let you know that this is a very

helpful resource in understanding Tim Keller's theology was printed first in

2013 so the quotes in here from Keller are from works that he did and sermons he preached before that time,

which to me is very intriguing because that means that Keller has been really off for a really long time and you know for someone like myself

who was involved in college career ministry and I remember in a very secular town in New York I was part of a I don't know if

church plan is the best word but that's really what it ended up being it was it was

an attempt to plan a church and we did one of the Redeemer Presbyterian Church's studies with featuring Tim Keller video study on the basics of Christianity but really what it amounted to was it was a lot of like

New York City secular people like not even Christians who sat down with Tim Keller

as Tim Keller would explain to them what

Christianity was really about and they could ask questions and he would dazzle

them. He would totally knock down their misconceptions about Christianity and I think a lot of what this

book deals with reminds me of that study because in this book Keller seems to try to either posit an alternative way of looking at,

that's the best construction on this, an alternative way of looking at some Orthodox teaching to make it more

palatable or acceptable to secular people who are turned off by the church and

Christianity and Jesus or it's he just reinvented he like it's not even that he's got two

teaching side by side one Orthodox that he gives to the Orthodox audience and one

that's frankly compromise that he gives to the postmodern's,

sometimes he just comes up with, this is my thing.

This is how I'm going to conceive of this Orthodox teaching,

and it's all wrong.

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