Until the revolution, every single Israeli prime minister, with the exception of Moushe Charette, had visited Iran's Shah.

Every single prime minister, they had secretly visited Iran's Shah because Iran's monarchical regime was quite happy to provide the oil that Israel wanted to Israel.

And in fact, even after the revolution, commodity traders,

particularly Mark Rich, who your American audience may remember as the guy that Clinton pardoned,

Mark Rich, who then when he died, he got more or less almost like a state funeral. Mossad gave, you know, orations about him

having been a friend to Mossad. Mark Rich continued to deliver Iranian by oil from Iran, which

was under sanctions in the immediate aftermath of the revolution, and delivered oil to Israel.

So that has been, that has been, you know,

the sort of the relationship with the Gulf

in search of oil has always been

this incredibly significant thing.

Hello everybody and welcome back

to another episode of the Magdisniz Street podcast.

Today we're gonna talk about oil,

the Straits of Hormuz, the Red Sea, ships and the war in the Gulf today, Iran, and perhaps even the recent Trump speech and what this is telling us about what might happen in the coming weeks.

And we have no better person to really to host today than Professor Laleigh Khalili, who is a professor

of Gulf and Arab Studies at the University of Exeter.

And she's an expert on the politics of violence, counterinsurgency, policing, and she

has an incredible body of scholarly work, including numerous books.

Most recently, and I think relevant to our discussion today,

Lale has established yourself as an internationally renowned expert on the oil industry,

global trade, maritime infrastructure and the geopolitics, especially around the Gulf region.

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