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Listening to America

Enemy of the People

Listening to America

Listening to America

Society & Culture, History

4.61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 17 August 2018

⏱️ 5 minutes

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Summary

"Whatever's wrong with the press, we must defend it, because the alternative is tyranny."

— Clay S. Jenkinson portraying Thomas Jefferson

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Thomas Jefferson is interpreted by Clay S. Jenkinson.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Good Day citizens and welcome to what would Jefferson do. Our weekly opportunity to discuss

0:07.1

current American events with President Thomas Jefferson who is seated across for me now. Good day to you, Mr Jefferson. Good day to you, my dear citizen.

0:17.0

Mr Jefferson, I wanted to talk to you about political rhetoric. I think every politician uses rhetorical arguments, maybe speaks above what he

0:28.6

actually believes to make points, but at what point does it become too much, even dangerous?

0:35.9

I differentiate between my time as president, between 181 and 189, when I attempted to be as

0:42.4

mild as possible and always to play down any volatility.

0:48.0

And then my time out of power when I spoke in private letters in a much more dramatic and sometimes I suppose you would say extreme

0:55.9

fashion.

0:57.1

So as a public figure I felt that it was my duty always to smooth the waters and to be more harmonious perhaps than I even felt.

1:10.0

Several of my annual messages to Congress were seen by my political adversaries as what they called

1:15.6

milk sops or things of milk and water because I was so mild about things that they knew were

1:20.6

quite serious national and international affairs.

1:25.2

But in private, when I was writing a letter to Mr. Madison or Francis Hopkinson or to John

1:29.6

Adams or to Elbridge Gary, I tended to speak a little bit more forcefully and in fact my dearest

1:37.2

friend James Madison after my death said you have to understand in Jefferson and other men of great genius that there

1:44.3

are sometimes as a tendency to overstate the case and I think that certainly could

1:50.1

be said of some of my private pronouncements.

1:52.8

Well, far be it for me, Mr. Jefferson,

1:55.1

to be critical of you, but I can say that in my time,

1:59.4

it alarms me some of the rhetoric that I hear coming out of both elected politicians, the

2:07.4

press, commentators, we really lost a great deal of civility.

2:13.2

I understand people wanting to further their arguments and convince an audience,

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