Hey, pull up a chair. It's Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy.

You're talking about a deceitful and highly discredited so-called journalist who's made a profession of peddling hoaxes time and time again.

Nobody was texting war plans, and that's all I have to say about that.

John Heilman, I thought for a second he was talking about you,

but apparently he was talking about Jeff Goldberg.

That was the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth,

trying to defend the fact that a top secret conversation

was going on on Signal, and they accidentally cut in a

reporter, Jeff Goldberg, editor-in-chief of the Atlantic, who could report on the security.

What a mess, huh? Well, a total mess. And I got to say, I mean, I felt for Jeff Goldberg,

because he's kind of like, I don't know how I got on this text thread.

I got stuck on there.

I wondered, is this possibly real?

Which is like basically how I feel about every time I get any signal messages from you and Murphy, you know, which is like, how am I involved in this conversation?

It seems ridiculous. Mallory McMorough, who's joining us here on the show, she's like, I don't want to, we don't want to exclude.

She's the only voice of reason and sanity in this, in this trio.

So, Mallory, how are you doing over there?

Oh, I'm just watching this.

Like, you couldn't, you couldn't write Veep now because life is more ridiculous than anything a fiction writer could come up with.

This is insane.

Yeah, it's sort of like Veep meets creep. It's really weird.

What's going on there? But listen, just for those who have been, who haven't been following,

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