Welcome to Untangle, the podcast from Muse, the brain-sensing headband that helps you meditate.

I'm Patricia Carpice, your host along with my co-host every other week, Muse co-founder, Ariel Garden.

Earlier this year, we launched a new muse called Muse S, which features a comfortable, soft fabric headband.

It gives you real-time feedback on your brain, heart, breath, and body during meditation,

and also includes new meditations designed to help lull you to sleep.

Check it out at choose muse.com and use Untangle15 for your discount.

In today's encore episode, I interview Michaela Haas.

McKella is the author of a book called Bouncing Forward, transforming bad breaks into

breakthroughs.

She takes a cutting edge look at how we find healing and resilience after major setbacks

and share stories of people who

have emerged from traumatic hardships, stronger, wiser, and more compassionate. She discusses the term

post-traumatic growth and some of the proven methods that we can use to survive and thrive

in the face of challenges.

Michaela draws upon powerful storytelling, psychology, and 20 years of Buddhist practice to reshape the way we think of crisis.

Now, here's Michaela.

Michaela, it is so great to have you on Untangle today. Thank you so much for being here.

Thanks for having me. I've been looking forward to this. Awesome. So I loved your book bouncing forward.

Thank you. Yeah. And the subtitle of the book is transforming bad breaks into breakthroughs. And this just stirred up so much for me,

because so much of your work is about resilience and forgiveness. And you use this term

post-traumatic growth versus post-traumatic stress, for example. And I really want to help

our listeners understand why resilience is so important

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