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Hello and welcome to another untangle. I have two wonderful guests for you today, not one but two,

Nate and Kaylee Klemp. They're an amazing couple that together co-authored the new book,

The 8080 Marriage, a new model for a happier, stronger marriage. Both of them are also incredible

in their own right. Nate is actually one of the founders of a company that's partnered with

Mindful.org. He's a PhD from Princeton University and is the author of Start here, Master the

the Lifelong habit of well-being. So he is deeply steeped in mindfulness.

Kaylee is an amazing expert on small group dynamics and leadership development. Her books include

the 15 commitments of conscious leadership, the drama-free office, and let's just say if you can make a

drama-free office, you can probably make a drama-free marriage. And she created the 13 guidelines for effective teams.

So between the two of them, they're here today to talk about the amazing power of bringing mindfulness into your relationship and how to have a happier one.

Welcome, Nate and Kaylee.

Thanks so much for having us. We are so happy to be here. It is my joy and pleasure.

Let's start by talking first of all about what it's like to work together as a couple.

You guys wrote a book together. You co-create. Tell me about it.

It's a funny thing because I think initially we had a semi-conscious

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