[ENCORE EPISODE] Coleman Barks: Rumi, Grace, and Human Friendship
Sounds True: Insights at the Edge
Tami Simon
4.6 • 1.9K Ratings
🗓️ 5 March 2026
⏱️ 62 minutes
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An encore presentation in honor of Coleman Barks, who passed away on February 23, 2026. Tami Simon speaks with Coleman, a leading scholar and translator of the 13th-century Persian mystic, Jelaluddin Rumi. Coleman’s work was the subject of an hour-long segment in Bill Moyers’ Language of Life series with PBS. He has published numerous Rumi translations, including with Sounds True the audio programs I Want Burning, Rumi: The Voice of Longing, and his new three-CD collaboration with cellist David Darling called Just Being Here: Rumi and Human Friendship. In this episode, Tami speaks with Coleman about the extraordinary friendship between Rumi and his teacher, Shams Tabriz, and how translating Rumi requires entering a trance state. Coleman offers insights on grace as he and Tami listen to selections from Just Being Here.
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| 0:00.0 | This encore edition is a tribute to Coleman Barks, who at 88 years of age died on February 23, |
| 0:09.0 | 2026. In addition to being a world-renowned poet, Coleman was a mystic, a lover of music, literature, and life, and a friend. |
| 0:26.7 | His roomy translations, from the heart, find a home in our hearts. |
| 0:32.3 | And his voice, warm and resounding, stays with us. Today my guest is Coleman Barks. Today, my guest is Coleman Barks. |
| 0:41.7 | Coleman Barks is a leading scholar and translator of the 13th century Persian mystic, |
| 0:47.2 | Jalaladin Rumi. |
| 0:49.0 | He taught poetry and creative writing at the University of Georgia for 30 years |
| 0:53.4 | and is the author of numerous |
| 0:55.4 | Rumi translations, and has been a student of Sufism since 1977. His work with Rumi was the subject |
| 1:03.1 | of an hour-long segment in Bill Moyers' Language of Life series on PBS. With sounds true, |
| 1:13.7 | Coleman Barks has released the audio programs, I Want Burning, the ecstatic world of Rumi, Hafiz, and Lala, a CD called Rumi, Voice of Longing, |
| 1:24.4 | and also a brand-new, beautiful three-cd collection, which is a collaboration |
| 1:30.4 | between Coleman Barks and cellist David Darling. |
| 1:34.8 | It's called Just Being Here, Rumi and Human Friendship. |
| 1:40.0 | In this episode of Insights at the Edge, Coleman Barks and I spoke about the relationship between Rumi and his teacher, |
| 1:48.0 | whom he called the friend, Shams of Tabriz, and how Coleman received insight into this friendship, |
| 1:56.0 | based on his own relationship with a Sufi teacher named Guru Bawa, Bawa Mujahideen. |
| 2:04.7 | We also spoke about how Coleman first began translating Rumi, |
| 2:09.8 | and how the translation process involves Coleman falling into a type of trance as part of the process. |
| 2:19.1 | Finally, Coleman and I spoke about grace, |
| 2:24.4 | and as part of our conversation, |
| 2:26.3 | we listened to some new pieces from the recording, |
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