Empty nester wisdom with Pamela Henkelman (letting go of expectations, finding your joy again and choosing your words wisely)
Pardon the Mess with Scarlet Hiltibidal - Christian Motherhood, Biblical Parenting, Raising Christian Kids
Scarlet Hiltibidal and Christian Parenting
4.9 • 850 Ratings
🗓️ 10 July 2025
⏱️ 32 minutes
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Summary
We have another great episode in the Empty Nester Wisdom series with Empty Nest Coach and host of the Midlife Momma Podcast, Pamela Henkelman. It was so fun to watch her soar in this conversation and it’s clear she has a passion in this phase of motherhood.
Pamela shares that this is a very sweet time of life that we can enjoy. We don’t need to dread this transition. It’s a season where we can rediscover our purpose and our joy. I know she will get you excited to look ahead to this new phase with excitement not dread.
My favorite part is when she talks about her intentional thinking around relationships. She doesn’t just prioritize the relationship with her kids, she aims at loving their spouses well. Even if you’re 10 years out from being an “in-law,” tuck away this wisdom from a seasoned mom that is running her empty nest race well.
In this episode, we chat about:
- Allowing children to grow independently
- Connecting with their spouses
- Choosing your words wisely with adult children
- Letting go of expectations with holidays
Enjoy!
Courtney
Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Personal Connections
(02:57) Transitioning to Empty Nest Coaching
(05:55) Navigating Relationships with Adult Children
(08:57) Setting Boundaries with Adult Children
(11:58) The Role of Spouses and In-Laws
(15:00) Rediscovering Identity in Midlife
(18:01) Embracing New Opportunities
(20:49) Creating a Welcoming Home Environment
(24:03) Success Stories and Client Transformations
(26:46) Conclusion and Resources
Connect with Pardon The Mess:
2025-2026 Prayer Journal: A Great Cloud of Witnesses
Resources from today’s show:
Connect with Pamela Henkelman
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| 0:00.0 | Christian Parenting. |
| 0:07.0 | As Christian parents, we all want to be praying for our kids, but knowing what to pray |
| 0:13.0 | can really be hard. |
| 0:14.0 | That's why Christian parenting created a great cloud of witnesses' prayer journal, is to help |
| 0:19.0 | busy parents, like you and and me intentionally pray for our kids |
| 0:22.7 | and their faith all year long. This weekly journal walks through the lives of faithful men and |
| 0:27.6 | women in scripture like Abraham, Sarah, Moses, Rahab, who trusted an extraordinary God. It helps you |
| 0:33.8 | to pray boldly for your kids, to follow in their footsteps, grow in character, |
| 0:38.3 | deepen their faith, and trust God's plan. And every Monday on this podcast right here, |
| 0:43.0 | on Part of the Mess, I will be praying with you through this very journal. So grab a group |
| 0:47.2 | of your friends, your mom friends, and y'all commit to this school year praying for your kids. |
| 0:52.2 | Visit cpgiv.org and use code cloud to get your special podcast listener discount. |
| 0:57.6 | That's cpgiv.org code cloud. |
| 1:16.3 | Hey friends, welcome back to Pardon the Mess. I'm your host, Courtney Defeo. How is everybody doing? |
| 1:22.7 | You know, one thing I haven't told you about the driving years, if you don't have a driver yet, 16, is it is the best. |
| 1:27.5 | Like, I really could get into having a chauffeur. Larson just drove me around. She had to get some stuff for camp, and I just love just being driven around. It's quite nice, something I didn't expect |
| 1:33.4 | enjoying about these driving years. We've got about one month until Ella leaves for college. She's |
| 1:39.2 | going to Auburn, and I'm super excited for her. I definitely have moments of just tearing us because it just won't feel the same without |
| 1:45.8 | her in the house every day. |
| 1:46.9 | But I'm truly so pumped when we went for orientation in June. |
| 1:50.9 | And I got to see so many of you, which was really fun. |
| 1:53.5 | You'll better always say hi when we're out in public. |
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