Hello, hello, hello. Welcome. I'm actually in Barcelona, very bizarrely. I'll explain this at the end because the telegraph doing a hit piece about it. You think they've got better things to do with their time. But nonetheless, we have an action packed show today covering a, a very, very substantial number of issues and very, very important issues they are to we are going to talk in the show almost

to show about Emma Watson. Now, you may have seen what's happened. Emma Watson has been falsely defamed as an anti-Semite for one of the most innocuous displays of solidarity with the Palestinian people that you can even contemplate or imagine. But the reason we're talking about it isn't to send to Emma Watson. Sure, she wouldn't want to be centered and very clearly wouldn't want to be centered in the media discussion, which has the absolute firestorm.

That has enveloped her as a consequence of this innocuous Instagram post. But more broadly, what it says at the moment in terms of the assaults against Palestinian solidarity, the attempt to delegitimize the most basic acts of solidarity with the Palestinian people. But also what this says about anti-Palestinian racism, an issue which is completely absent from this discussion, the total dehumanization of the Palestinian people to the extent that show

any sort of solidarity or even acknowledging the existence of the Palestinian people is deemed to be, is deemed as an act of intolerable hatred. So we're going to talk about that with two very brilliant guests, a leading Palestinian civil society leader from Ramallah and a brilliant prominent Jewish peace activist who I believe is here in London who also has a beautiful cat, which was always very keen to

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One of the Colston for this is four activists who were being prosecuted for their lawful, we can say, heroic acts to take down a prominent slaver who is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of slaves, a barbaric period of human history, which is largely being scrubbed away.

We don't talk about the real horrors of the slave trade, but because of the actions of people like Rian, who I'm Rian, sorry for now she named right, who is on a campsite joining us through her phone.

Thanks to your acts, we can have these discussions. That's the point. Before I bring you in, firstly congratulations, just to explain, Rian was one of four who was dragged through the court. And a jury sat there, looked at the evidence, assessed it objectively.

And they decided that you didn't break the law. They did.

Can we just before we, before I ask you about this and talk about this, let's just so clip of the moment that Edward Colston statue was thrown into the river, which of course triggered this court case.

They hold some moment there, I would say. We have just explained, how did you get involved? What happened?

Well, so I think it's the whole stage is set obviously by the fact that we've, you know, we've just spent the last couple of years dealing with a global pandemic.

And David really gave a chance to, for me to sit and think about things, you know, I've not actually, I wasn't really an activist before, I wouldn't call myself an activist, although it is funny that sort of I'm here in the context also.

Not alongside people talking about Palestine, because that was actually one of the main sort of movements that really inspired me before I ever became involved in activism really before when my friend Lizzie visited Palestine, who is a photographer and, you know, brought back the stories of the struggle of Palestinian people. So I will say that I will always stand in solidarity with Palestinians.

But moving yet to the, before the 7th of June, the pandemic had hit and we had, you know, obviously in the 25th of May, the news of George Floyd's murder swept the world.

And that really triggered something in everybody, I think. And at that point, I was reading a book called, why no longer talking to white people about race, which you might know is written by Reni Edo Lodge.

And it was 3D reading that and the sort of galvanizing of emotion and empathy for the struggle of people of color.

The really took place in those few weeks and, apologies, at this point in the day, I've done a lot of interviews yesterday was a very emotional day.

And I'm very, very young in a little bit.

The statue of Edward Colston, that stood there, I mean, it was actually put there, actually long after he died.

It wasn't even a kind of, so tell us about that.

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