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It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

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From ABC, this is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

Today we're tackling a subject that has been one of my primary preoccupations for a long,

long time. I write about it at length in my book. It's been one of the central themes.

So the question is how do you balance the drive for success with happiness? In other words,

can you be a really ambitious person as I am and I assume many of the listeners of this

podcast are while also being not crazy and having some degree of peace in mind are these

two things. I think a lot of us assume that these two things are across purposes, but my

guest today argues that that assumption, whether it's conscious or subconscious, is actually

dead wrong, that in fact happiness and success are mutually supportive. In fact, I think

she would probably go so far as to say you can't have success or real success without some

degree of happiness. But I'll let her speak for herself. Her name is Emma Cepala. Am I pronouncing

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