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This is Design Matters with

Deppy Millman from design observer.com.

On this program, Debbie Millman talks with Emily Oberman about working for a T-Bor-Calman,

starting a studio with Bonnie Seagler, and now working for a T-Bor-Calman, starting a studio with Bonnie Seagler,

and now working for a pentagram.

Also, what motivates her?

Fear has always been a really good motivating factor

for me.

It's kind of been a driving force in my life. It gets me out of bed in the

morning and it helps me go to sleep at night because I'm afraid that if I'm too tired I won't do well

the next day. Here's Debbie Millman.

Chances are you've seen Emily Oberman's design work.

Oberman has worked for This American Life, Orbits, and Lucky magazine.

She's worked for MTV. orbits and lucky magazine.

She's worked for MTV, VH1, and HBO.

And for the past 18 years,

she's designed the title sequences for Saturday Night Live.

Oberman did all this while at number 17, which closed one year ago this month,

after an 18-year run.

Soon after, Oberman became a partner at Pentagon,

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