Kevin, it's very late here.

Where are you calling me?

Well, I just wanted to see what you had planned for the weekend.

No, we are doing an emergency podcast because Casey, some very big news just happened. That's right my red hard fork phone that I keep

next to my bed is ringing and it says there's big news. Today just a few hours ago in a

surprise move open AI CEO Sam Altman was pushed out of the company.

He was effectively fired by the company's board.

This move was a total shock to everyone in the tech industry and was especially shocking to us because on

Wednesday of this week you and I both sat down for a very long, very wide-ranging interview with

none other than Sam Altman.

We did and looking back I wish I just asked him hey do you think you're about to get fired?

Yeah that was not one of the questions we asked him shockingly and to be frank like it didn't seem like he had any idea this was coming.

We were talking to him on what was essentially the one year anniversary of chat chibet.

We asked him a lot of questions about open AI and chat chepy and the future he saw for artificial intelligence

and at no point during our interview did he indicate that anything was amiss or that anything like this was about to happen.

So I have to wonder whether he knew

or whether this was a total shock to him too.

Yeah, well, like you said, he definitely did not betray any notion that this was about to happen when we talked to him.

So today in this emergency podcast, we are going to talk about this news, what happened

and what it means.

We are not going to share our interview that we recorded with

Sam Altman just yet. Candidly, we're still trying to figure out what to do about

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