Who should be hurt? Who should be hurt?

Hello, hello, it's Brooke Gavard and you're listening to the Make It Beauty podcast.

I have been thinking so much about beauty and self-expression and adornment since I've had this

conversation with Keshe. Now, if you don't know Keshe, Keshe is to me and I think to a lot of

other people, truly an icon. I discovered her on Tumblr in the mid 2000s and I've just been

following her ever since. She's an artist, she's a musician, she's a very deep thinker,

she's a photographer, a creative director. I mean, she's worked with some of the biggest

brands. I just had an opportunity to see her DJ and event at the protestor on her day of drive

and she is just the definition of creative in the sense that her self-expression really shows

up through her beauty choices. And Keshe is also someone who really adorns every part of her body

and I've been thinking a lot about beauty that goes beyond the kind of one-dimensional male gaze,

like I just want to look like myself but better. Like when I get into a makeup chair,

the first thing I say is like I want to look glowy and natural and I'm just trying to accentuate

my existing features. If I think about someone like Keshe, what they're doing is they're really

taking beauty and pushing it beyond that to a new space where they're saying something and using

the face as a canvas, right? Like sure, we all know how to do different color lipstick,

but one of the things that you'll see if you go to the YouTube and watch some video clips from

the show, Keshe really uses her entire face as the canvas and that's something that we talk about

but she's got crystals on her nose bridge. Why not? And when we really get into the references

about why she chooses certain colors, it may be like an obscure Korean film that inspired her.

So I was really, really blown away by her thoughtfulness and she is just an overall very

thoughtful person, a very soft spoken person and there are things that she shared in this conversation

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