From WNYC, I'm Brian Laird. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Friday, May 15th.

We start with New Yorker staff writer Andrew Morrance representing the New Yorker Radio Hour.

Andrew has a new article that contains what he calls a hopeful harbinger for the world,

the defeat of Victor Orban in Hungary's national elections.

Andrew has become the first outside journalist to interview the guy who beat Orban,

Peter Magyar.

Does it mean the rise of authoritarianism there and maybe here might have peaked and is on the decline?

We'll discuss.

And Andrew was a guest on the radio hour a few weeks ago to cover another huge question for us all.

Can we trust the masters of the universe who are developing AI?

Here's a short clip to get us going from that New Yorker Radio Hour episode, as the host,

David Remnick, of course, was interviewing Andrew and his co-author, Ronan Farrow from the New Yorker

about whether the world could trust Open AI and ChatGPT founder Sam Altman

with this history-altering technology.

David asks about one of their own leaders in the company who had his doubts.

What was the blip?

So one of the top people who they recruited, who was offered $6 million a year at Google and

turned it down in order to go work for the good guys, was this guy, Ilya Sutskever, who was on the board in 2023, and he started to get the feeling, as we quote him in the piece, saying, I don't think Sam is the guy who should have his finger on the button to return to the atom bomb analogy. He starts to rally the board against Sam. Now, this has been a lingering question for years in Silicon Valley. What did Ilya see? What is in his secret memos that he compiled? Is there a smoking gun? Is there some one thing that explains it all? And what we found, and the reason that you graciously gave us 16,000 words to explain it is that there is not

one smoking gun.

There is this small accumulation of detailed patterns of behavior that add up to in aggregate

what people like Sutsk ever felt was someone who can't be entrusted with this world-altering

technology.

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