the same habits that make students illiberal that make them opposed freedom of speech are the same

mental habits that make people anxious and depressed.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissinger.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest today is the president of Fire the Foundation for Individual Rights and Education

and the co-author of the coddling of the American mind. Greg Luke,

enough welcome to Trigonometry. Thanks for having me. It's a great pleasure to have you on the

show. I've given you the full introduction there, but tell us a little bit about the story behind

that. Who are you? How are you? How are you? Where are you? What has been your journey through life

that leads you to be sitting here talking to us? Oh wow. Okay. So we were talking a little bit before

the camera started rolling about my family history. I'm a first generation American. My father is

Russian by way of Yugoslavia and my mother is Irish by way of England. And because of the peculiarities

of each culture, my ethnically Irish mother thinks of herself as British and my ethnically Russian

father thinks of himself as Russian because you don't just wake up one morning and decide your

serve. And like that's just not the way identity works in that part of the world.

So I grew up, you know, we were pretty broke slash poor when I was a kid. I grew up in a neighborhood

with lots of other kids from Peru, from Vietnam, from Korea, from the Dominican Republic, from Puerto Rico.

And the white kids in my neighborhood were actually from the American South, which is a first

generation American seemed even stranger and more exotic to me. And so I had the sort of first

generation American slash immigrant kind of appreciation for American freedom of speech because

we know how rare that is historically and how unusual America's commitment to that is

both historically and in the world, particularly at the moment. So I went to undergrad,

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