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A lot of companies today are talking to good talk about being more sustainable and working toward lowering emissions and their carbon footprint.

But can they prove it?

Can companies involved in the burgeoning battery industry prove that high levels of pollution are not a byproduct of extracting raw materials or that child labor wasn't used in the mines.

My guest today is Ellen Carey, Vice President of Global Public Policy and Public Affairs at Circular,

a UK startup that's using cutting edge technology to help companies learn an incredible amount of detail about their supply chains.

This is really timely and important because the Inflation Reduction Act in the United States

contains provisions that make clear companies need to show where battery materials are mined

and where they're manufactured in order to qualify for tax credits. So it's no longer just the

right thing to do to know more about your supply chain in order to eliminate pollution and address those human rights concerns.

Businesses are now financially incentivized to get their supply chain houses in order.

For all those reasons, I'm excited to bring you this conversation,

the Circular's Ellen Carey.

Ellen, welcome to the podcast. It's great to have you here today.

Pete, it's a real pleasure.

Thank you very much for having me on.

So there's a story in the Washington Post last week with this headline.

The E. Supply chains have a human rights problem.

Can tech fix it?

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