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Drop Dead Serious With Ashleigh Banfield

Elizabeth Smart: Exclusive Interview | "Epstein-Maxwell Case Echoes Mine"

Drop Dead Serious With Ashleigh Banfield

Drop Dead Serious With Ashleigh Banfield

True Crime

4.61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

Wanda Barzee and Brian David Mitchell kidnapped 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart from her bedroom in 2002 and held her captive for months. In this episode, Elizabeth Smart opens up about her past and why the Epstein–Maxwell case hits close to home. She talks with Ashleigh Banfield about the patterns she recognizes in powerful predators, how victims are targeted, and why certain details in that case feel so familiar to her. She also says that after Virginia Giuffre’s death, she felt like it was a wake-up call, a reminder of how badly we need to listen and act when survivors speak.

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0:00.0

Hey, everyone. I'm Ashley Banfield, and this is Drop Dead serious. Most people outside of Utah

0:11.0

never think about Wanda Barzee. I mean, honestly, why would they? But inside Utah, her name still

0:19.7

sends a chill.

0:21.9

Wanda Barzzi, along with her unhinged homeless husband, Brian David Mitchell, were living in a tent when Brian decided it was time to take on another wife, a celestial wife.

0:36.6

And he convinced Wanda it was a good idea to kidnap 14-year-old Elizabeth

0:41.3

Smart from her bed. The Smarts had taken pity on Brian David Mitchell, and they had offered him

0:48.6

some handymen work around their home. So he was, you know, milling about and got a good look at their young daughter Elizabeth.

0:57.6

And that's when he hatched a sadistic plan to steal her from the smart family and make Elizabeth

1:03.0

his additional wife. All along, convincing his aging and mentally ill wife, Wanda, that she'd still

1:10.0

be wife number one.

1:11.6

Elizabeth would just be a celestial wife, and Wanda could still be a part of everything that

1:16.9

happened with Elizabeth. And when I say everything, I mean everything, including the first night

1:24.5

they stole her from her bed.

1:30.6

Elizabeth would report to the police that Brian stripped her naked that night,

1:37.3

anointed her with oil in a strange religious ceremony, and then raped her while Wanda held her down.

1:39.7

Elizabeth said it happened not very far up the hill from her home in the woods and that

1:43.9

she could hear the voices of the search parties calling her name.

1:49.8

That couple held Elizabeth captive for nine horrifying months.

1:56.6

And every single day of that ordeal, Brian David Mitchell sexually assaulted Elizabeth,

2:03.0

sometimes multiple times a day.

2:05.4

And Wanda Barzzi helped him do it.

2:09.5

Sometimes even holding her own body up against Elizabeth's during the assaults.

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