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Gordon Sandlin testified.

The testimony is now starting to come out

you know before the House impeachment

hearings he was one of the characters involved in this whole effort to

squeeze Ukraine to shake down Ukraine and get them to manufacture some dirt on Joe Biden

and to get them to prove that it wasn't Russia who hacked the DNC servers

it was actually somebody in Ukraine. A Democrat from the American Democratic

Party in Ukraine hacking the servers. Yes that's the theory. So anyhow

Sandlin said in his testimony apparently,

that, yeah, I mean, we don't have a transcript yet,

but we have all these leaks that have come out.

Said that he was disappointed that he was being asked to coordinate with Giuliani on this

thing and that he thought that State Department people should be handling this

kind of stuff rather than people like Giuliani.

Which is kind of weird because his text messages,

which we now actually have, this is one where he was on a text

message with Mr. Volker, who was part of this little conspiracy, and with

Giuliani. And Volker says, hi Mr. Mayor, had a good chat with the Ukrainian

presidential aide Andrew Zermak last night he was pleased

with your phone call mentioned z making a statement that's the president of Ukraine

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