Elif Shafak
The Good Fight
Yascha Mounk
4.7 • 963 Ratings
🗓️ 16 June 2019
⏱️ 59 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | It worries me that some people on the side of the progressives, on our side of the spectrum, |
| 0:08.0 | seem to think that the answer to one kind of tribalism is building up another tribalism. I think the right way is to find |
| 0:16.8 | the method to transcend those tribes. |
| 0:20.4 | And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. |
| 0:25.0 | Welcome to the podcast that searches for the ideas, policies and strategies that can be to |
| 0:29.3 | for Italian populists like Donald Trump over the next four years and the next 40 |
| 0:33.4 | next 40. The elections for the European Parliament this week |
| 0:38.0 | contain all kinds of fascinating stories. The success of the Brexit Party in Britain, the ongoing march of right-wing |
| 0:47.9 | populism across the heart of the continent, the consolidation of power of far-right populists in countries like Hungary. |
| 0:56.8 | But the really big picture is much simpler than that. |
| 1:02.4 | After Brexit happened, after Donald Trump was elected in 2016, |
| 1:06.3 | there was a long debate for a year or two about whether this was a strange populist glitch |
| 1:12.3 | or a long-term shift. |
| 1:14.8 | I remember furious debates after the election in the Netherlands, |
| 1:19.6 | after the French presidential election, |
| 1:22.0 | after each new little data point about where the general direction of travel was going. |
| 1:28.0 | Well, today we had an election in all of Europe and the overall picture is very clear. |
| 1:34.5 | Populism is not dominant in every single country. There are some places where it |
| 1:39.1 | actually seems at the moment to be declining a little bit but on the whole it is clearly in the |
| 1:48.0 | ascendant. Populists gained a much greater share of the vote when they had five years ago. |
| 1:55.0 | In some countries they are absolutely dominant. |
| 1:58.0 | In many countries they now have a large block of the world and that includes some countries that were supposedly |
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