It's not necessarily the case that there's a big difference between the types of communities affected by mining in the global north and the global south.

Absolutely, there are major inequalities that separate the north and south.

But when we get to that local level and we look at who is harmed by extraction, those communities might have more in common with one another than what their respective kind of governments or with the corporations that are headquartered in those places.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Thea Rio Frankos.

Thea is an Andrew Carnegie Fellow, an associate professor of political science at Providence College and a member of the Climate and Community Project.

She's also the author of resource radicals from petro-nationalNationalism to Post-Extractivism in Ecuador.

I was so happy to have Thea back on the show.

The last time she came on was episode 24,

all the way back in August of 2020,

more than two years ago.

It's hard to believe it's been that long.

But then we did talk about how we need to think about

the resources and supply chains

that are in all of the electronics that we use, but in particular, the electric cars and the batteries

that are going to be fueling those and driving those into the future. And a lot of that

conversation focused on what was happening in the global south and in Latin America in

particular. But in this conversation, I wanted to

shift our focus a bit more to the global north, because yes, while a lot of extraction, even,

you know, the majority of extraction that fuels are electronics and that will fuel this growth

in electric vehicle production into the future will happen in the global south, there's also an

ongoing push to onshore some of that extraction, some of that production, to have it happen

...