The failures of surveillance are always met with calls for more and deeper surveillance,

more data, more cameras, improved AI.

In an environment where people say we have to do something, it seems as if it's a solution. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week, returning guest is Chris Gileard. He was on the show in the

past to talk about digital redlining and why you shouldn't be buying surveillance gadgets as gifts

for people, and especially as these technologies move into our homes and many other aspects of our

life in a really worrying way. And certainly I think that only becomes more obvious

as Amazon is now pushing a ring reality TV show to use these videos from people's surveillance

cameras in order to do like an America's funniest home videos, but much more creepy and surveillance-oriented and trying to push

this really terrible idea of what society should be and how these things should act.

And so, Chris is a just tech fellow at the Social Science Research Council and a recurring columnist

at Wired.

In this week's episode, we talk about how there is this new push to expand the reach

of surveillance technologies and really punitive technologies in general within schools and how

there are two ways that this is really being pushed. And the first of that is early on in the

pandemic in the early in, you know,

the early lockdown period when a lot of schools were closed and students were often learning

online rather than in class, there was a big push to add new forms of surveillance software

onto students' laptops and devices so that teachers and schools could

monitor what they were doing on those devices. And now, you know, kids are long since back

in classrooms, but many of those systems have not gone away and in some senses have been

even further entrenched and expanded in the time since.

And then the other piece of this is, you know, of course, we all know about the devastating

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