Hello?

Hi, Hayden.

How are you?

It's your friend, your good friend, David, Andrew Farrier.

Is that your middle name?

Yeah, what's your middle name?

It's Robert after my popper.

Popper, Popper, Bob, Popper. Let's cut to the chase, Dave. You're not calling because you were my friend. You've already done this once. You've already fooled me once. I kind of feel like if you're not documenting or recording something, it's almost not worth doing. Do you know what I mean? I actually agree with that, not on the probably vain level that you mean it on,

but just because our memory is so bad and so faulty,

and you're probably going to get dementia in pretty much four years time or something.

Anyway, so you may as well record something so you can,

I can't remember most of my children's lives but I look at

the photos and I'm like oh that happened and I can't honestly I reckon the photos and my memories

are blurred together I think that I'm remembering something but actually all I'm really remembering

is a photo that I've seen afterwards and I think there's probably some psychological research that

backs that up all right I'm I'm going's probably some psychological research that backs that up.

All right, I'm going to cut to the chase. Donald Trump probably doesn't remember being president

the first time. I have... He's so surprised. I called this off. I see you've done it before.

As a New Zealander, when you look back at election night, what is the first thing that comes to mind?

Oh, just grim resignation, I guess.

It's just seeing those first maps come up with like the slight red hue and just being, here we go.

And just seeing that needle built on the New York Times site

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