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The Good Fight

Eitan Hersh on the Perils of Political Hobbyism

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 20 July 2024

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk and Eitan Hersh discuss the importance of strategic political action that focuses on goals and outcomes. Eitan Hersh is Professor of Political Science at Tufts University, focusing on U.S. elections and civic participation. His latest book is Politics Is for Power: How to Move Beyond Political Hobbyism, Take Action, and Make Real Change. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Eitan Hersh discuss how to engage with politics in ways likely to bring about meaningful change; how political hobbyism tends to coincide with misperceptions about voter habits and the purposes of political rhetoric; and how to more successfully get students to engage with challenging ideas on campus. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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new cultures, and who knows, you might even find yourself a holiday romance and end up living

0:19.9

your real life mamamier dream. If you're someone who needs to convince your your boss to give you a raise. You go talk to your boss and what is that conversation like? You think

0:31.6

ahead of time, how do I get the boss to understand my position

0:35.6

how do I get them to see it my way what do I have to do to see things his way or her way and

0:40.8

all of a sudden you're like oh yeah I'm in a moment of strategy here. In politics, in real politics, that's what it's like too, because you've got to build that coalition. In hobbyism, you're practicing this crazy alternative skill set. And so that's why you see sometimes when like a bunch of

0:54.8

people descend on a school board meeting or show up on a campus protest and just say

1:00.2

insane things that are super provocative because they've learned the totally wrong

1:04.6

skill set for this. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. We're growing the podcast and trying a bunch of new things. One of them is going to be a monthly more or less mailback episode in which I try to answer some of your questions.

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paying subscribing. My guest today is Eton Hirsch.

2:07.0

Eton is a professor of politics at Tufts University and the author among others of politics is for power.

2:20.0

We had a conversation about why Aetan worries about what he calls political hobbyism, why he thinks that too many people approach politics a little bit like sports fandom rather than with an actual attempt strategically to influence people and create real change.

2:40.0

We also talked about a host of other issues from why it is that American political parties

2:45.9

worry far too much about electoral rules like voter ID thinking falsely that it will give

2:52.1

them a partisan advantage to change the rule in

2:54.6

one direction or the other and Aetan's attempts on campus to create more genuine

3:02.2

engagement between people of different political persuasions and

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