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You're listening to Late Night Woman's Hour and we are at the Birmingham Literary Festival with my guest, Sally Hughes.

Hi.

Hello.

Katlyn Moran, welcome.

Hello.

And Nadia Shireen, hello to you.

Hello.

Katlyn, I know you want to talk to us about Dublin today and having an amazing experience there

and how we might harness some of the energy of what's going on across the water.

Well, I think if you're in the UK and you're a kind of generally progressive, liberal person

who believes in love and equality and happiness,

you can not realize how depressing things have got here.

Like everybody I know is always getting to the point of politics

where they're just shouting self-care and turning off the internet

and just going, I can't watch the news anymore.

This is all too depressing for me.

I feel completely overwhelmed.

It feels like things are going backwards.

And I went to Dublin to do an event two weeks ago.

And the vibe there is completely different.

It reminded me of being in the 90s in the UK. They're so positive. They've won the vote for...

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