Somehow I know that we are cold as a blind.

So stop acting like a lady, come and ride like a baby on the outside.

On the outside.

Hello and welcome to episode 1117 of the Effectively Wild podcast, a baseball podcast

brought to you by our Patreon supporters.

I am Jeff Sullivan of the Bangra Astro and is always by Ben Lindbergh of the Ring or Hello Ben.

Hello, how are you?

Doing pretty well.

That's great.

I understand that yesterday, immediately after we recorded our podcast,

you had to get going because you had a very important phone call with one Bill James. How did that go?

Yeah, just my usual every week chat with Bill James just catching up on how he's been doing lately.

No, it was the first time I had ever talked to Bill James.

I have seen him from afar at a couple of conferences and just haven't really had an excuse to go up and talk to him.

I could do the thing where I just go up and say thanks for everything and you're such a huge influence.

And I owe my career to you and all those things. I'm sure he's heard a hundred times.

I did a very abbreviated version of that on the call.

But we actually didn't talk about baseball that much. We talked about his new crime book.

He writes about crime too. And he has this new book about a serial killer,

whom he essentially detected the crimes of. He went back into the archives and he pieced together all these different killings over a long period in all different places

and came up with this profile of a killer who people didn't really know existed. And it was fascinating.

And so I did a podcast with him.

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