From KCRW, Santa Monica and KCRW.com, this is The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell. If you've seen the movie Captain America,

The Winter Soldier, you know the work of my guest, Ed Brubaker.

And I think if you take a look at the new show coming up this fall, Gotham, you'll be familiar with his work from that from the comic series.

Gotham Central, yes. But he also did terrific runs on Daredevil and a great, I think, legitimately great series of comics, Criminal and Fatal, one of my favorite ever. My guest is at Brubaker. His newest group of comics, criminal and fatal, one of my favorite ever.

Oh, thanks.

My guest is at Brubaker.

His newest group of graphic novels is starts with the fade out.

It's book one, just out in stand.

So good to have you here.

Thanks so much.

Oh, thanks.

Thanks for having me.

Oh, my pleasure.

One of the things I love about the way you write is you find a way to make a character and everything

you've done. I think even in your bit your time on the authority, to make one of these

characters feel like kind of an audience surrogate. You know, I never even noticed it until you

just said that. And now I'm like going through my head and realizing I do that in so many

things. I think partly it's just since I'm a lot of that stuff, especially the superhero stuff,

you're dealing with the genre that people have seen a million times.

So there's so many tropes that you want to try to avoid or cliches that you could be accused

of just repeating over and over again that I'm always trying to look for a different way in.

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