Welcome to Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from Talbot School

of Theology here at Biola University.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics.

We're here with a special guest, Dr. Brian Fickeert,

who is the founder and president of the Chalmers Center for Economic Development

at Covenant College and Professor of Economics and Community Development

at the same Covenant College.

You may not be, you may not have connected the dots quite yet.

You may be aware of Brian, but may not know why.

And that's because of his best-selling book that he co-authored

entitled When Helping Hurts How to Alleviate Poverty Without Hurting the Poor.

A truly game-changing book in my view will come to that here in a little bit. What I'm interested in talking to Brian about today is the subject of his discipline of economics and the connection between that and human beings made in the image of God.

I take those those aren't generally terms that people put it together in the same sentence.

We're going to talk not only do that, but talk about it in depth.

So Brian, welcome, great to have you with us.

It's great to be with you today, Scott.

Now, let's, I think for, just to set some context

for our listeners, I don't use the term global capitalism because

Marx coined that term and it was intended pejoratively so I use the term

global markets market-based systems but I think it's almost without dispute that over the last 30 years or so,

maybe it could extend it to maybe the last 200 actually, but global markets have done an incredible

amount of things to lift the poor out of poverty.

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