Having both been raised largely secular,

our friends who were living according to secularism

were all miserable.

But our friends who were Christian, they were happy.

We thought, wait, what's going on here?

Why is this group of people, these Christians,

where they happy?

And all of our friends were atheists,

they're all miserable.

Does that tell you something?

And that's more persuasive than many arguments.

Okay, we have a treat today on the podcast.

We've got Michael Knowles here in studio

of the Michael Knowles show.

We just did an actually interview over at the live action

space, which you can watch on the live action podcast.

But we're here to talk about some other stuff.

So Michael, thanks for sitting down.

Thank you for having me now.

Now we can get to the really juicy stuff, you know?

That was the, or dirt.

Yes, there you go.

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