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Walk-Ins Welcome with Bridget Phetasy

E320. Finding God In Science - Spencer Klavan

Walk-Ins Welcome with Bridget Phetasy

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4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2025

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

Spencer Klavan sits down with Bridget to discuss his new book, Light of the Mind, Light of the World: Illuminating Science Through Faith. They talk about faith, science, nihilism, depression, personal growth, the false dichotomy between scientific rationality and religious belief, the fact that many great scientists were theists, and that the modern conflict between science and religion is outdated. They also cover Spencer’s personal journey to faith, his experience as a gay Christian, how he...

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0:00.0

I had a lot of issues with God when I went into sobriety.

0:03.9

I would hear the Lord's prayer and I would flinch.

0:06.7

So-called, quote-unquote, rationalists or scientific absolutists

0:10.3

are the ones telling you you have to, like, hide in a bunker for the next century

0:15.9

or you're killing grandma with COVID.

0:18.3

Which version of you is better?

0:20.7

It's really not hard. The first sip from the cup of

0:24.4

science turns you into an atheist, but when you drain the cup all the way to the bottom, God is

0:29.9

waiting for you. When I'm on that train of nihilism, it is a train to nowhere. It leads nowhere.

0:36.5

It is empty. It is dark. And it is nothing matters to nowhere. It leads nowhere. It is empty.

0:37.8

It is dark and it is nothing matters, including my life.

0:41.3

There genuinely are people under cover of pretending to be religious,

0:48.3

kind of try to undermine people's basic moral intuition in the immigration debate. You get a lot of people who will use certain passages from the Bible to say,

0:58.0

well, like, you can't be a Christian and believe in borders.

1:01.0

You have to dissolve your country into soup if you really want to honor God.

1:08.0

All right, I'm with Spencer Claven, everybody. Welcome to Walkins. Welcome. So good to have you.

1:14.9

For having me. It's awesome to be here. I feel like we've known each other from afar in various digital

1:21.2

media and it's awesome to finally like get a chance to be.

1:24.2

We've met in person though. That's true. We've also met in three dimensions, more importantly.

1:29.1

Not just digitally.

1:30.5

I met, we were, where were we?

1:32.7

I think you were at, like, I feel like we were both at a daily wire movie premiere of some story.

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