All right. I'm with Paula Scanlan, everybody. Thank you so much for coming on to Walkins. Welcome.

Thank you for having me. I'm really excited to talk to you. I feel like you've been through a lot in the past year. How are you doing?

Okay. I mean, some days are definitely harder than others. There are certain days where I just, I wish no one had to talk about this. I would much rather go into my life and not have to do interviews and not have to tell people about my feelings and be vulnerable. But it's also really important work. Yeah. So it's a mix. It's definitely a mixed bag of emotions and feelings and everything.

So for people who don't know you, when you say you have to talk about this, will you just

kind of explain to them briefly what this is?

I was teammates with a male individual that identified as a woman.

And I've just been sharing my experience at the University

of Pennsylvania, where I was a swimmer, and the university really silenced us to have discussions

about what was going on. We couldn't express discomfort or feelings of unfairness of the situation.

It was really a situation where we were told that we were

the issue if we objected, and there was no room for discussion. And it's something that it's,

it's against women, and it's also free speech violations. This entire situation taught me that

universities don't have compassion for real women, and they don't care about our ability to speak

the truth. Yeah, so you're, you were teammates with Leah Thomas, who's now become quite

infamous or famous, if you will. And I know that your teammate, Riley Gaines, was one of the,

kind of the first people who was on the team and came forward publicly at quite a high

cost, it seems. What inspired you to come out and come forward after kind of seeing, I assume you saw

what she went through? Yeah, so Riley swam for the University of Kentucky, and she raced Leah at the NCAA Championship.

And so her experience was just over one weekend, and obviously incredibly unfair.

So she tied Leah and the NCAA basically told her that she could only get the sixth place trophy,

and the fifth place trophy had to go to Leah.

So that's really like the moment that spurred her into her activism and her discussion about all of this. But it was

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