E315: Conservative Marxism w/ Ralph Leonard

This Wreckage

Sean KB and AP Andy

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🗓️ 8 December 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Sean and Andy are joined by British-Nigerian writer and podcaster, Ralph Leonard, to talk about identity, politics and the Anglo Ummah. We discuss the parlous state of the nationalist left, what a proletarian socialist politics might look like in the 21st century and what might possibly be conserved of the classical Marxist movement which died in the beginning of the last century. Along the way we bring up the morphing politics of identity, the uneasy cohabitation between left populism and Islamism in the UK, remigration as capitalist politics and how pre-politics might could get us out of this mess.

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Articles mentioned:

https://buffsoldier-96.medium.com/can-israel-survive-for-100-years-8dbdd5bc9abf

https://unherd.com/2023/07/mcdonalds-made-me-a-marxist/

https://unherd.com/newsroom/is-kemi-badenoch-downplaying-her-nigerian-identity-for-political-gain/

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0:00.0	We've picked out some articles, and I've picked out some of your more interesting tweets.
0:11.4	I also listened to your, it was like a year ago with, right to the show Jason Miles, your,
0:18.3	this is Revolution podcast.
0:39.8	And I found it to be charming because it was like the beginning of what's now called the Mamdani moment. Yeah. And you guys were unpacking the way that Eric Adams was trying to use his blackness to like disarm Mamdani's political. You know, I found that to be very interesting a year on, right?
0:43.9	Yeah.
0:44.6	You know what happened.
0:45.5	So what's your take on that from the UK?
0:49.3	Just it seems like we've started recording now.
0:51.3	Everyone we're here with Ralph Leonard from the UK, Nigerian, British author and co-host of Alt Black podcast. Do I have that correct?
0:59.0	Yeah, yeah, I'm a co- Yeah, I'm a participant. I like that. Welcome to the show. So, so the first question we had for you was, what do you make of this Mandani moment? What do you make of Mayor Eric Adams eating
1:12.3	shit? Well, part of me is like kind of happy he won just so that people like Eric Adams can
1:21.3	eat his own feces and you know, because especially in the lead up to the election, there was a lot of, like, really horrible stuff being, like, pumped out against Mam Dani.
1:34.7	Like, really, like, explicitly, like, racist, like, anti-Muslim stuff being pumped out.
1:40.9	So in a sense, I was, like, happy one just to kind of just put the boot back
1:45.6	against the eyes. Yeah. Yeah. But then obviously politically speaking, it's like,
1:54.1	Mamdani is, even though he is like a democratic socialist, he's like a kind of progressive. That's what he's kind of tapping into. He's like a kind of progressive.
2:01.0	That's what he's kind of tapping into.
2:03.8	He's like, I suppose what, you know, he's clearly like playing into like a post-Burney kind of moment, right?
2:13.4	And in that sense, he's the very, he's like the first big electoral victory of the millennial left, especially because he himself is a millennial.
2:27.7	And he's like younger.
2:29.6	He, you know, the way he campaigned with his videos, he's kind of, he's got that kind of
2:34.9	soft charisma about him. Yeah. It's like, it's very subtle. Like it's not like very obvious,
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