All righty. I'm with Jennifer Say everybody welcome to Watkins. Welcome.

Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.

I'm excited to have you. It feels overdue like so many of my guests that I always am talking to you for oftentimes years before we finally actually sit down.

And you have had a wild ride since we first became aware of one another. Just give people a sense of your journey to not for lack of a better word.

It always sounds so lame to be like,

tell me about your journey.

I know.

But tell us kind of what's been,

what's it, when did everything happen? when did this all start like just the

crazy like my life yeah I'll give it a little snapshot of just sort of like who I am and what my background is that okay.

I was an elite gymnast as a child.

I was on a national team for about seven, eight years and I was a national champion in 1986.

And I first kind of found my way into the kind of public sphere when I wrote a book about gymnastics 20 years after I had left the sport because I had continued to suffer from the abuse that happened in the sport, the emotional and physical abuse.

There is sexual abuse that's widespread, which everybody knows now, and I wrote about that in my book,

so I myself was not a victim, but the emotional and physical abuse was pretty intense.

I was the first athlete that spoke out about it

and was just dragged across the internet for the first time when I didn't even really know what that was. It was 2008, so who knew? I was not prepared. But it just like the more I got vilified and called every name and like stalked at my workplace by the head of USA Gymnastics, the more I thought, oh my goodness, they're

hiding something even worse than what I imagined.

And that was Larry NASA, which is now now.

So that was my first kind of foray at the time I was working at Levi's I actually worked there for 23 years. I was already pretty senior at the time. I was a vice president Anyway, that's my sort of separate corporate life. I spent 23 years at Levi's.

In 2020, after I was redeemed for my outspokenness about abuse in gymnastics.

I decided to take another go at being canceled.

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