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To resolve Hello, Prestige Heads and welcome to I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade Derek Davidson,

and we are very excited to welcome to the podcast today.

Surprisingly, for the first time, but you know him and love him, and his name is David Sarota.

David is the founder and editor of the Lever, and he's also the host of the current Lever series,

The Master Plan, The Kingmakers, which explores the American presidency, which we will

get to soon. But I want to ask David about something else. But first, David, thank you very much

for joining us. Thank you. Thanks to both you for having me. Really appreciate it.

So one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about was journalism. And I mean that in the most

capacious sense, the state of the industry and the

state of independent media, because you've been talking a little bit online, on X-the-Eeverything

app slash Twitter, about journalism and how it's changed and your relationship to that. So it's a

broad question, but why don't we start there?

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