Born in a hurry always late haven't been early since a year.

Hello everybody and welcome to the Antifada episode 200 and a lot we are

here with me Sean and we're also of course here with Andy who's on tour right now traveling but he made it and we are here with

Vincent Bevins who was not in California although he is from there he is in Mary Old

England in London Vincent Vincent. Hello, how are you? We're here to talk about an excellent book that Andy and I both got a chance to read and actually one that Andy spoke about with Michael Hart recently at the

Woodbine space. It is If We Burn, the Mass Protest Decade and the Missing

Revolution by you, Vincent Bevins. could not be a more timely book I think as we come out of COVID as we come out of the inflation crisis as the sort of illiberal thrust of populist politics

continues through the world indeed as protest continues but as it seems as

though this pseudo or it may maybe even revolutionary decade of 2010 to 2020 has kind of run its

course now and people are looking for different answers and maybe even posing

just different questions.

What your book does is it uses your vast experience as a journalist,

having lived through many revolts in Brazil and elsewhere,

but also of course interviewing people from 10 different dynamic struggles that

popped off in the second decade of the 21st century.

So thank the end notes decade. it's funny you say that because after I finished your book and I, you know, I've been working a lot, I just finished it a couple hours ago, I brought up end notes. I brought open the essay Onward Barbarians, which is their attempt to trying to get an understanding of the way that this sort of 15-year crisis since 2008 has led to various different uprisings, many of them across the

globe, that haven't yet cohered into something, or at least if they have cohered into something,

it's something that hasn't left much residue

except to sort of, I don't know, despair, you could say, or disorganization or a failure of will let's say or maybe I don't know what what did you why did you

write this book what was it that inspired you to kind of collect together your experience and our experience of those last of those 10 years?

Yeah, I Was living in Brazil in 2013.

The reason that I got involved, the reason that I didn't decide to get involved in this topic, this topic really kind of arrived in Salpaulum and it was what I lived through back in June 2013 that led me to like almost everybody that I know that lived

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