Diving Into the Wreckage: Nationalism, Liberation and the Bourgeois State Part 2 (Lenin)

The Antifada

Sean KB and AP Andy

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🗓️ 22 December 2023

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Sean KB and C Derick Varn return with part two of their series on nationalism and the nation state. In this episode, the discuss various Marxist conceptions of the state including Otto Bauer, Rosa Luxembourg but especially Vladimir Lenin. What is the relationship between people and nation? Class and nation? And what is to be done?

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0:00.0	Hello, welcome to diving into the wreckage.
0:17.0	Nationalism and its discontents part two.
0:21.0	Sean and I have been talking about geopolitics and how everything is bad, which, you know,
0:29.0	I guess this is a perpetual theme of this show. We're always like, oh, this is going to be in a miniseries and things will normalize and they never normalize and there's a thousand things to talk about.
0:38.0	Yeah, we were talking before about something very topical,
0:44.1	has been for a couple of years, which is Russia, Ukraine.
0:46.9	And for this episode, I've been reading the selected writings,
0:52.3	oops, as I drop it for the selective writings,
0:52.6	as I drop it for people on camera,
0:54.4	selective writings of Lenin on National Liberation
0:57.7	Socialism and imperialism.
0:59.8	Turns out Russia, Ukraine, very topical 110 years ago too. A lot of good topical stuff in here, but I did this to try to kind of ground some of our discussion in classical theory, you know, but I've also been reading this book by John Connolly called People's Intonations, which is a more sort of liberal bourgeois history of Eastern Europe and national formation
1:26.7	starting in the 17th century 18th century and going all the way up through the fall of the USSR.
1:34.0	So we're really in it now.
1:37.0	Varn, you brought up, what was it, five thinkers last time
1:41.0	who kind of outline a
1:42.8	a Marxist, various different Marxist theories of the nation.
1:46.2	And we went...
1:47.2	We brought up like Benad Anderson and we brought up Otto Bauer and we brought up
1:55.4	Habsbaum. I mean, Hobbsbaum and Anderson do. I mean, Anderson is not strictly speaking I'm not even sure he's a Marxist
2:07.0	she's related to one but they kind of try to develop this idea from Lenin's criterion and also from liberal
2:18.9	criterion of what created national cultures in the national revolutions.
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