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Visit virgin Media.02business.co.ukuk slash turn it up. Hello, Prestige heads and welcome. I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade Derek Davidson, and we're very excited to welcome back to the podcast today.

Hugh Wilford,

you's a professor at Cal State Long Beach and also the author,

as we talked about last time,

of the new CIA and Imperial History.

So Hugh, thank you so much for joining us.

Well, thanks so much for having me back.

I'm delighted to be here.

I'm delighted.

You're good on podcast, so it makes my life easier.

So last time we talked about overthrowing regimes, this time we're going to talk about

maintaining them, and particularly we're going to talk about a man named Edward

Lansdale, who's actually been the focus

of a relatively significant literature. Was it Max Boot? It was one of the sort of like the center

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