E198: Should Wives Submit to Their Husbands? w/Erika Bachiochi
The Lila Rose Show
Lila Rose
4.8 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 21 March 2025
⏱️ 99 minutes
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Summary
TThe distorted version of masculinity is hedonistic and domineering, seeking control over his wife and restricting her freedom. The toxic version of femininity is self-absorbed and detached from reason, flaunting her sexuality online and encouraging her children toward gender confusion. In response to these extremes, society has overcorrected—suppressing true masculinity and femininity instead of restoring their rightful place.
Today, my guest and I delve into the beauty of men and women as they were originally designed, celebrating their distinct gifts and the way they harmonize within the family through a healthy model of headship. Erika Bachiochi, a pro-life legal scholar, expert in Christian social teaching and sexual ethics, and author of the groundbreaking Wall Street Journal article "John Paul II, the Feminist Pope," joins me to discuss these crucial issues. She also shares her incredible personal journey—from a broken, liberal alcoholic to a joyful, traditional mother of seven. Don't miss this compelling conversation on reclaiming authentic gender roles in our culture.
Erika's article on WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/opinion/john-paul-ii-the-feminist-pope-women-equal-dignity-theology-22954069
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:02:38 - Erika’s conversion story
00:07:58 - Learning how to pray through AA
00:12:58 - EveryLife
00:14:00 - AA Recovery Meetings
00:18:36 - “God, show me which church”
00:21:56 - We Heart Nutrition
00:23:18 - Sponsoring College Students
00:29:11 - Gave up alcohol for a husband
00:35:23 - Erika’s husband corrected her:
00:40:09 - Authority vs Power vs Persuasion
00:46:27 - The Problem with Modern ‘Feminism’
00:49:37 - Man and Woman’s Degeneracy
00:52:36 - ‘Men are going to use me, might as well monetize it’
00:56:59 - Erika’s work in pro-life world
01:02:12 - How did past societies handle gender asymmetry?
01:03:31 - Male Chastity is Difficult
01:06:31 - John Paul II: The Feminist Pope?
01:10:55 - Husband sees the whole; Wife sees the parts
01:14:09 - Red Flag for Women Dating:
01:17:00 - What does a woman’s submission look like?
01:21:03 - All men want is…
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| 0:00.0 | While I was there, I made my home directly in the women's center, women's studies, courses, |
| 0:05.5 | but especially my home in the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous. |
| 0:09.2 | Religion was very much out of the picture. |
| 0:11.0 | And just a sense that Catholicism especially is the most patriarchal religion on the planet. |
| 0:16.0 | I went back to my dorm room. |
| 0:17.2 | I got right on my knees because that's what I had been taught to do in AA. |
| 0:19.8 | I think the very easy key of what the mutual submission looks like on the woman's part is |
| 0:24.6 | your work was instrumental in overturning Roe v. Way. |
| 0:28.6 | Women can get pregnant. Men can't. They engage in the same act. |
| 0:31.6 | There's a fundamental inequality here. What do we do? |
| 0:34.6 | Well, Christianity says... |
| 0:36.6 | Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Lila Rose show. Today I'm sitting down with my friend, |
| 0:43.8 | Erica Bakke-Aki, who has a big piece out this week in the Wall Street Journal called, |
| 0:49.1 | this little edgy, John Paul II, the feminist pope. Erica was a Bernie Sanders supporting feminist in college and |
| 0:55.9 | ended up becoming a passionate pro-life advocate and a married mother of seven children later on in her life. |
| 1:01.2 | And she has an incredible personal story. We're going to wrestle with some really fascinating themes in |
| 1:06.1 | this episode today about feminism, about the growing toxic masculinity and toxic femininity in our culture, |
| 1:14.1 | where they kind of connect back to when it comes to human nature, the history of thought |
| 1:19.6 | around the roles of women and men, and so much more. I think you're going to find this episode |
| 1:24.1 | absolutely fascinating. I know that I did. Also, don't forget to subscribe to the show. |
| 1:29.3 | If you haven't already, if you're listening to a podcast app, make sure you're subscribed. |
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