Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast live stream, our 15th live stream.

I'm sitting with Dr. Heather Hying and we are prepared to have quite an interesting discussion today.

I must say that some of the topics we are going to cover I regard as a bit dire and I'm hoping that

there will be some humor in here but I should just prepare people at home that if there is humor,

it is likely to be Gallow's humor. How are you feeling?

Yeah, pretty much the same.

Pretty much the same. Okay, Gallow, I'm glad we're on the same page.

Yes, that's always a good thing.

Yes. For newcomers, let's alert them to the structure of things. We will do about an hour of

conversation on some topics that we have decided to discuss. You can file Super Chat questions on YouTube

and we will do our best to answer them. We will start with two questions from Twitter and then we

will answer as many Super Chat questions as possible in the second hour. Anything else announcement

was? Nope. All right, excellent. So I believe we're going to start today with a discussion of

the question, not of whether or not this virus has emerged from the lab, but a question that

often comes up in response to discussions of that topic. And the question that I see variations of

is what difference would it make? So it's come from a lab, so it hasn't come from a lab. We still have

to do the same things. And which is true at a first approximation with regard to some of the

actions that we might take? Yes, some of them are certainly absolutely universal and it makes no

difference. But I must say I am increasingly alarmed by the possibility that a laboratory

origin would actually suggest something radically different about this virus. And might explain

some of the anomalous features that we see and might have a lot to say about what a wise course

of action going forward would look like. So maybe we should just flag this and say that I think it

...