Hi there, once again you're listening to high performance, I give to you for free every

single week and I've got some good news for you because for the next three Wednesdays we've

got something special. Welcome to the first Gallagher Leadership Series episode where

myself and Professor Damian Hughes are expert in organizational psychology, have a conversation

with three leaders in English rugby but as always let me just be clear this is not a conversation

about rugby. Over the next hour or so you're going to hear us discuss mindset, growth,

discipline, sacrifice, success. Here's what's in store on today's high performance podcast.

That to me is very much the way to look at most things in life, you know, there's a lot

of things that look quite daunting and look that are semi-impossible or they're all this

will never get done. I guess what, you know, you take your first step, you pick up your

first bailer, hey, and you look around and then it's done, isn't it? If you commit everything

to something and you lose, that's heartbreaking because you sit there afterwards and you go,

I don't know if I could have done any more today, I've lost and it's the ability to actually

prepare to go to that level as often as possible that really moves you on. The biggest

thing is exposing yourself to failure but not because it's okay to fail, you know, expose

yourself to failure when it's not okay to fail, you want desperately to win. That's the

best way to move forward. I'm so excited for you to hear this conversation

today. We're talking to Rob Baxter OBE and the theme of this conversation is building

resilience to deal with stress. Now I'm sure that you'll listen to this for a variety

of reasons but for almost every single issue in your life, resilience can get you through.

Resilience is that golden nugget, that golden bullet that can see you through the toughest

of times and Rob has had some tough times and some amazing times. He's currently the

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