There's nothing tougher than going into court and facing the peers that you've worked with for your entire life.

You want to talk about, you know, shame.

My name was plastered all over the papers for everything that I did.

When you talk about the fourth step and the 12 steps of recovery,

fourth step was very easy for me.

Do you know why?

It was all over the front page

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here for the sober curious the new guy and the old timer here to talk about the stuff anyone looking to live, alcohol-free has to face day-to-day,

now we overcame those struggles.

We speak for no 12-step group, but we do try to remain anonymous.

You're not alone.

This is the sober friends podcast.

Life and recovery requires you to be flexible. So Steve is out having a steak dinner at an

awesome restaurant around here because it's his 20th winter anniversary and John is at a week

for one of his employees. So you got me alone, but not just alone. You got Joe Kelly with me.

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