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U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

E.M.D. Sales, Inc. v. Carrera

U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Oyez

Government & Organizations, National

4.7661 Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2024

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

A case in which the Court held that employers seeking to demonstrate the applicability of a Fair Labor Standards Act exemption must do so by a preponderance of the evidence.

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0:00.0

We'll hear argument next in case 23217, EMD Sales v. Carrera.

0:06.5

Ms. Blatt?

0:07.7

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court, for over a century, this Court has held that the

0:12.7

default standard in civil cases is preponderance of the evidence.

0:16.8

That default rule should resolve this case.

0:19.8

Nothing in the text suggests that Congress intended a clear and convincing evidence standard to apply to the 34 exemptions under the Fair Labor Standards Act.

0:30.9

Respondents argue that a heightened standard is appropriate because FLSA rights are important, but a preponderant

0:38.4

standard applies to rights against race discrimination and disability discrimination and rights

0:43.7

to organize and to workplace safety, all super important rights.

0:48.5

This Court has reserved the clear and convincing standard to deprivations by the government of critical rights that don't

0:56.6

involve money damages. This court has never allowed plaintiffs to use a clear and convincing

1:01.7

standard as a sword, and it certainly has never read a clear and convincing standard into a statute

1:08.1

for money damages. Respondents also argue that overtime rights aren't

1:12.6

waivable, but waivability and standards approve are unrelated and don't go hand in hand.

1:19.0

Waveability goes to who owns the right, the government or the individual, and a standard of proof

1:24.6

goes to how hard it is to prove that the right attaches in the first place.

1:29.6

Thus, the preponderance of the evidence standard governs non-waivable rights, such as those under the NLRA and OSHA,

1:36.8

and heightened standards govern waivable rights, such as those in criminal trials and deportation hearings.

1:43.1

Because the court below applied only the clear and convincing standard, we think this

1:47.9

court should remand for the application of the preponderance standard.

1:51.7

I welcome the Court's questions.

1:54.6

Other than the context of actual malice, can you think of any other case where there has been a requirement?

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