meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Wisconsin Bell, Inc. cv. United States, ex rel. Heath

U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Oyez

National, Government & Organizations

4.6640 Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2024

⏱️ 94 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

A case in which the Court will decide whether reimbursement requests submitted to the Federal Communications Commission's E-rate program are “claims” under the False Claims Act.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

We will hear argument this morning in case 231127, Wisconsin-Bell v. United States,

0:06.2

X-Rail Todd Heath. Ms. Hope?

0:09.7

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court, the False Claims Act, which casts its shadow

0:15.9

over every aspect of the administrative state, has always been trained on guarding the public fisc.

0:23.0

The FCA protects government funds by defining a claim as a request for money the government

0:29.4

provides or that's presented to a government agent. As a result of political branch choices,

0:36.6

e-rate reimbursement requests check neither box.

0:40.5

The program could have been funded with public money and administered by a government agency,

0:46.2

but the political branches chose private funding and a private administrator

0:51.2

to prevent e-rate money from being used to mask budget shortfalls

0:55.9

and to avoid the Government Corporation Control Act.

0:59.3

The consequence of those choices is that e-rate reimbursement requests aren't FCA claims.

1:06.2

First, the government doesn't provide any money in the E-rate program.

1:10.7

Text, context, structure, and history all confirmed that the government doesn't provide any money in the E-rate program. Text, context, structure, and

1:12.5

history all confirm that the government provides money for FCA purposes only if it supplies

1:18.6

money from its own funds, putting the public FISC at risk. That never happened here. The government

1:25.4

doesn't provide money by making one private party pay another

1:29.3

private party, and the government doesn't provide money by collecting debts owed to a private party

1:35.8

and in which the government has no financial stake. Second, the program's private administrator,

1:42.6

the administrative company, isn't a government agent.

1:46.0

By design, it lacks power to bind the government, which in turn lacks control over what matters here,

1:53.3

grants of e-rate reimbursement requests. In fact, we know the company can't be a government agent,

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Oyez, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Oyez and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.