Welcome to the Bull of Work podcast.

I'm Charlie Sykes.

I figured we would take a day to look at the media and what's been happening with the

media particularly as Donald Trump continues to ratchet up his threats and his embrace

of QAnon.

I think you could argue that, and again, stop me if you've heard this before, the Donald

Trump is no more dangerous than ever before.

Yet it comes at a moment when there are people in the media who say, you know, maybe we

shouldn't focus on Donald Trump so much or maybe we ought to be more even handed in the

way that we deal with Donald Trump.

We don't want to be like Andy Trump or anything like that as if in fact he poses an existential

threat to American democracy.

Of course, I am at least in the back of my mind thinking about CNN.

So who better to talk about this than our guest today, Dylan Biers, founding partner and

senior correspondent at Puck, he covers the business of media technology and entertainment

previously worked with NBC News, CNN and Politico.

So Dylan, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you so much for having me, Charlie.

It's an honor to be here.

I read your stuff and I always think that you know, you really know where the bodies are

buried in all these places.

It has a very interesting feel to it that only somebody who's working the belly of the

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