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Cannonball with Wesley Morris

Dwayne ‘the Rock’ Johnson Is Finally Going There

Cannonball with Wesley Morris

The New York Times

News Commentary, Society & Culture, News, Arts

4.89.2K Ratings

🗓️ 30 October 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Dwayne “the Rock” Johnson’s new movie, “The Smashing Machine,” sends him back to his natural habitat: the ring. But for the first time ever, Johnson finds himself in a role that grapples with what it means to move through the world in a body like his. Wesley talks to Sam Anderson, who recently spent a day with Johnson for a Times Magazine profile. They think about the line between artifice and reality — in Johnson’s performance, and in Sam’s effort to get to know one of the most famous people on earth.

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0:00.0

I'm Wesley Morris and this is Cannonball.

0:09.5

Today, I can smell what the rock is cooking.

0:13.9

Finally.

0:20.5

Now, if you were to do a family feud-style man on the street pole, like if you just walked up to people and asked him, name the biggest movie star the last 25 years, I bet you, that was a terrible Steve Harvey, by the way, I bet you'd get enough people answering Dwayne the Rock Johnson,

0:38.1

that your family wouldn't get a strike if that was your answer.

0:43.1

In fact, I'd guess he'd wind up being the number one answer.

0:48.3

And I'm going to say that the man who's arguably our biggest active star

0:53.3

has also, inarguably, been the most misused.

0:58.8

He's usually a body first that makes everything else about him his humor and his charisma, his

1:05.0

chill. All of those things have to compete with what a mountain range he is. But this year, Johnson's body is once again the centerpiece of a new movie.

1:14.6

It's called The Smashing Machine.

1:16.8

And for once, it's what's going on inside that body that's fascinating.

1:23.9

He plays the mixed martial arts fighter Mark Kerr, this man who is built like the Pentagon paid for him.

1:30.5

But he plays Kerr, Dwayne Johnson does, in a way that might get at the real humanity and even tragedy of the actor playing.

1:40.2

This all made me want to talk to my friend Sam Anderson, who wrote a really revealing profile of Dwayne Johnson in a recent New York Times magazine issue.

1:49.2

Sam, welcome to Cannonball.

1:52.1

Thank you. Glad to be back.

1:54.4

I guess I'm going to start by asking a pretty straightforward question.

1:59.9

You're one of my favorite writers of profiles.

2:02.6

Thank you.

2:03.6

Bar none.

2:04.6

You have written about Laurie Anderson, Rick Steves,

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