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🗓️ 6 November 2025
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Wesley Morris and this is Cannonball. |
| 0:14.0 | Today, hated it. |
| 0:27.9 | Last month, Taylor Swift released her 12th album, The Life of a Showgirl. And for me, the most interesting thing about it didn't really have so much to do with the music |
| 0:33.8 | itself. It was how critics treated it. The aggregation of reviews were mostly |
| 0:38.6 | enthusiastic, but, you know, they also included assessments that I'd describe as unimpressed, |
| 0:44.0 | a little exasperated, kind of weary. I'm somewhere between those two camps. Enthusastically |
| 0:52.1 | exasperated, is that a thing? That's me. |
| 0:54.4 | But that's not my point. |
| 0:56.1 | My point is that critics rolling their eyes at Taylor Swift is a noteworthy shift, |
| 1:01.3 | not just from reviews of Taylor Swift's music, but lately from pop music criticism in general. |
| 1:08.8 | For the last decade or so, popular cultural criticism and music especially |
| 1:13.1 | has seemed scared of its own shadow. |
| 1:17.9 | Or maybe more to the point, |
| 1:19.8 | scared of the fan armies ready to attack |
| 1:22.2 | anybody who dares to question their preferred stars |
| 1:24.8 | and what they might be up to |
| 1:26.8 | with, you know, whatever they've |
| 1:28.7 | just put out. |
| 1:30.7 | And so, as the reviews came in, I thought, and I don't want to get too carried away here, |
| 1:36.5 | but this actually might represent a kind of return to form to the mean old days of music |
| 1:43.2 | criticism where you could just say what you felt. |
| 1:47.6 | All of that made me want to talk to my fellow homie in criticism, Kellefa Sane. |
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