Dunking On Trump's Lawyers Might Not Be The Win You Think It Is
Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts
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🗓️ 11 November 2023
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
If we are to take Donald J. Trump seriously (and at this stage it’s surely a fool’s errand not to), then the rule of law and democracy are on the line if (when) he becomes the Republican nominee for 2024. What role will the former President’s many many legal woes play in the coming months? A clearer picture is emerging after testimony for the prosecution wrapped in the civil fraud trial against Trump and his adult sons in their roles at the helm of the Trump Organization in New York City this past week. That picture is of a political candidate claiming to be the victim of an unprecedented legal witch hunt. In other words, as the trials proceed within the courts, a political trial is underway on the courtroom steps, at campaign stops, and in the media. On this week’s show, Dahlia Lithwick is joined by Professor Eric Posner, of the University of Chicago Law School, author of The Demagogue's Playbook: The Battle for American Democracy from the Founders to Trump, to discuss political trials - their history and their risks.
Next, Dahlia is joined by Madiba Dennie - attorney, columnist, professor, and deputy editor at Balls and Strikes - to recap oral arguments in United States v Rahimi, the big gun case considering whether adjudicated domestic abusers have a right to keep and bear arms.
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| 0:00.0 | She's just not that bright. I'm sorry. I have to say it. I've seen their case. I've seen their lawyers. They don't know what they're talking about. |
| 0:10.0 | This is a kind of politically tinged defense lawyering and it makes a lot of sense because the goal is not necessarily to win at trial. |
| 0:22.0 | You can avoid responsibility by saying, |
| 0:24.0 | it's not me who thinks that domestic violence offenders |
| 0:28.0 | should have an inviolable right to a gun. |
| 0:30.0 | It's the founding fathers. |
| 0:32.0 | Do you read Bruin as step one being, |
| 0:36.2 | go to the archives and try to determine |
| 0:38.5 | whether or not there's some historical analog |
| 0:41.2 | for the kinds of legislation that I'm considering. |
| 0:44.0 | Hi and welcome back to Amicus. |
| 0:49.0 | This is Slate's podcast about the courts and the law and the Supreme Court and whether we like it or not most |
| 0:56.0 | days the connection between the justice system and accountability for one Donald |
| 1:00.9 | J. Trump. This past week was a busy one, both at the Supreme Court, where arguments |
| 1:06.6 | were heard in United States versus Rahimi, a case we previewed last week. It was a busy week in a courtroom in Manhattan where Donald |
| 1:14.9 | Trump took the stand and made a whole bunch of squiggie faces and insulted the judge. |
| 1:21.2 | Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee are pushing forward with plans to |
| 1:24.7 | subpoena Harlan Crow and Leonard Leo to learn more about unreported gifts |
| 1:29.1 | to Justice Clarence Thomas and voters from Ohio to Kentucky and around the country proved yet again |
| 1:35.7 | that abortion rights post-Dobs are a democracy issue. |
| 1:40.3 | There was a Republican primary debate. |
| 1:44.0 | Later on in the show, we are going to catch up with Madeba Denny of Balls and Strikes, |
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