DS9 s4e14 "Return to Grace"
Star Trek The Next Conversation - a comedy Star Trek podcast currently about TV's Deep Space Nine DS9 (or TNG)
Matt Mira and Andrew Secunda
4.8 • 2.2K Ratings
🗓️ 21 January 2026
⏱️ 104 minutes
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Summary
It's back-to-back weirdos being weird about Kira, but this time it's Dukat! In an A plot that runs the length of the episode without check-ins back at the station, Kira and the ex-Gul enter a game of cat and mouse (or Bird of Prey and defrocked Cardassian?) and Matt and Andy are along for the ride.
[Episode discussion begins around 45:00]
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | The |
| 0:07.0 | The Podcast, the final frontier. |
| 0:29.0 | These are the conversations of the friendship, Matt Myra and Andrew Secunda. |
| 0:34.4 | Their continuing mission. |
| 0:36.3 | To seek out old adventures with contrived civilizations. |
| 0:42.6 | To boldly watch episodes that one of them has watched before. |
| 0:46.9 | The Hey everybody, welcome to Star Trek, the next conversation, the best Star Trek podcast |
| 1:13.0 | in the history of Star Trek podcasts. |
| 1:16.0 | I'm Matt. |
| 1:18.1 | I'm, oh, sorry, Andy. |
| 1:21.2 | No, that was, I clicked a button and all the sounds went away, so I've ruined our intro. |
| 1:26.3 | As you were saying... |
| 1:28.3 | Well, and it's appropriate, isn't it? No, no. Just say I'm Andy again. I'm Andy. |
| 1:36.7 | And I'm supposed to believe you remembered my name from some report you read years ago. |
| 1:41.8 | There we go. Okay. See, it worked. It was good. |
| 1:45.8 | It's really seamless. |
| 1:50.4 | It's homie. |
| 1:51.8 | Our podcast is homie. |
| 1:53.3 | It really is. |
| 1:54.7 | Comfortably homie. |
| 1:56.1 | I'm just so happy you're all still listening. |
| 1:59.0 | Anyone who's not listening anymore, they didn't want to be comfy. |
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