Hey, everybody. It's me, Stephanie Wilder Taylor. This is Drunkish, the podcast based on my book,

Drunkish, still available wherever you buy your books. Listen, if you just quit drinking,

if you're wanting to quit drinking, if you're curious about what the lives of drinkers are like,

there's something for everyone here. Please give me a five-star rating. Go to YouTube,

follow the show so you can see what everyone looks like. Today's guest is Josh Welch. He is a defense attorney. He's from Oklahoma. He's also a very talented

photographer. Look him up on Instagram, which he will give you his Instagram handle at the end of the show.

You may also know him as a frequent guest on his wife, Jennifer Welch's podcast. I've had it. I'm a huge fan of that show.

They are super outspoken and fighting the good fight over there. And he oftentimes talks over

on that podcast about recovery. And he's so honest over there.

So, yeah, we talked about a lot of stuff.

I would say the main takeaway is how being really and truly honest and transparent with

your story is a great way to help another person feel seen.

Without further ado, here's Josh.

Thank you so much for doing this podcast. Hello, Josh.

Thank you so much for doing this podcast.

I really appreciate your time.

Stephanie, thank you very much for having me.

Thank you.

I just appreciate anybody who is open about recovery.

It's hard to talk about this kind of stuff, and it's hard to talk about this kind of stuff and it's hard to talk about it in a

really transparent way, but I think it's helpful. You know, recovery is hard, but you can let

some of the air out of it when you speak about it, when you talk about it. So you don't bottle up everything

...