Drugs, chess, and rock and roll.

Brian Lawler has all three.

I didn't include the sex part because I don't know.

But he's been to jail.

We talk all about that and how, why, when.

But I was concerned, how did he survive?

And part of the way he survived, interestingly,

was chess.

So we talk about his experiences in jail,

and again, the stories he tells are riveting and valuable about survival in general and

then we played a bunch of games. I'm not including the games in the podcast, but he surprised me with his his

skill and we'll do a video on that later. But here's Brian Lawler. This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altager show. So.

Well, first I want to hear Brian, how did you go to jail?

Well, first I want to hear Brian, how did you go to jail? Well, no, you know, you know, I mean, I went to jail for basically being a drug addict and anything sort of related to drugs, meaning being arrested for car theft, credit card

fraud, or being pulled over and having drugs on me.

So there's, I've been in and out of jail several times, but the longest...

Where was this in the US?

Yeah, in the US.

Sorry, so this was in New Jersey and New York City.

So I've been locked up a couple places in New Jersey, a couple places in New York City so I've been locked up a couple places in New Jersey a couple

places in New York City like the tombs down on a church street and far rock away

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